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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 405 for the twenty fourth

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of July 2015 Richard Saunders here with

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you from a very um nippy chili Sydney

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Australia and I'll have you know I've

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reached level 10 on Pokemon go I know

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that's not as good as some but I am

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finding it fun whatever else people

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might say about it or think about it or

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complain about it or love it or hate it

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or whatever it is it's fun other that's

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some fun I'm chasing these things and

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losing battles I wonder what the next

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generation of these games will be like

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but you don't want to know about pokemon

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go or maybe you do or maybe you're doing

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it right now as you're listening to the

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skeptic zone if you are good luck what's

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coming up on this week's show going to

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kick off with the raw skeptic report

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Heidi Robinson from the northern rivers

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area of New South Wales looking into the

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claims and the online activities of one

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Pete Evans known as paleo Pete who is a

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TV chef a TV chef lately he's been in

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the news because he's been making

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comments about sunscreens casting doubt

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on sunscreens which seems to be a little

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bit odd as you will discover with Heidi

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Pete Evans has been making all sorts of

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comments about lots of other things

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paleo Pete Evans included in this report

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you'll hear skeptics and reporter and

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president of Australian skeptics Iran's

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to give and a clip featuring dr. Brad

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zone before famous for being the doctor

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or one of the doctors in embarrassing

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bodies down under the TV show and dr.

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Brad appeared briefly with Pete Evans on

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Nova 96.9 radio here in Sydney and thank

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you to Nova 96.9 com au Heidi Robinson

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the raw skeptic to kick off this week's

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skeptic zone then following that we have

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a story about homeopathy from the

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courier-mail and with some comments by

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me and some other reports and it's it's

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uh sir the report revolves around a

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homeopath selling homeopathy bear with

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me but because they had the newspaper in

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question had the pills tested and

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discovered that they were nothing but

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sugar yes I know you're shocked I know

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you're gobsmacked imagine that something

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the skeptical community has known for

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years and years and years suddenly makes

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the news when a newspaper reports it

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well that's good i'm glad they're

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reporting it but the whole angle is that

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oh wow look at this it's nothing but

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sugar is quite amazing to us because

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what else today expect to find

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homeopathy being sold as vaccinations

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that story coming up in the middle of

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the skeptic zone then to round off the

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show Maynard spooky action main art is

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totally on tour with the totally 80s

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show I think it started in the Gold

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and Sydney Canberra Perth Adelaide ho

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got two nights in Melbourne back to

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Sydney next week for a couple of

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performances in Newcastle featuring such

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acts as the group Berlin take my breath

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away men without hats safety dance might

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eager with many songs including her hit

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toy soldiers it was a great show i was

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there the other week as skeptics and

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listeners will remember doing some work

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for her for the tour doing some

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background work and some video

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production may not is having an absolute

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ball on this tour being the MC

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performing too packed out houses good

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stuff but luckily for us may not found

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think to ask some of the performers on

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to do they indulge in rituals and

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superstitions how many actors do I'm led

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to believe that's like sporting stars

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and sporting people they have lucky

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items they carry with them or whatever

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so may not we'll ask a few of the people

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superstitions and i'll put a link to the

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tour in the show notes as people in

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sydney and newcastle still have a chance

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to buy tickets for the show stay tuned

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to the end of the show or

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be talking about a story I hope to bring

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you next week about our lady in Ireland

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who is copping some legal threats over

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her activities concerning the movie vax

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the andrew wakefield movie that I'm sort

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of semi looking forward to seeing at

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some stage rather anyway more about that

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at the end of the show now during the

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week I asked some of my reporters on the

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skeptic zone what I should run

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downstairs and eat this week and they

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said a ham sandwich root beer and hot

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dog and a lollipop mm-hmm so now it's

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time for me to run downstairs have a ham

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sandwich a root beer and a hot dog and a

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lollipop while I'm trying to enjoy all

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone Heidi Robertson

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here coming to you from the lovely

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northern rivers in new south wales chef

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pete evans has stirred up controversy

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yet again this week i was going to

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provide a brief background on the pseudo

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scientific statements and claims that

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there is just so much in his background

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that fits that criteria that it actually

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makes up about half of this report

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nevertheless it's important to recap to

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get the full picture of what is going on

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here so here we go with thanks to my

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husband Rob for providing the voice of

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Pete Evans Pete Evans is an Australian

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chef who promotes a GMO free grain free

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dairy free organic Paleo diet he says if

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it wouldn't look like food to someone

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the loincloth and a spear it isn't food

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for you or your baby now if in doubt

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it's hard to go wrong with mother nature

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yep it is hard to go wrong with

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naturalistic fallacy generally neglects

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to mention that mother nature does not

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always have our best interests at heart

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I'm also not sure our ancestors walking

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around 40,000 years ago would have come

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across Pete's delicious paleo choc

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caramel slice on their travels but never

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mind about those pesky details Pete is

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the author of a number of cookbooks a

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that's mi n double D which has been

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endorsed by the Australian vaccination

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skeptics network the mind foundation

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echoes Pete's claims that diet can treat

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and prevent a range of health conditions

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including allergies anxiety arthritis

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evidence for its use in autism and it's

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salad chain sumo salad sumo salad said

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co-authored book Bubba yum yum which

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publication he's also the winner of the

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award which recognizes the perpetrator

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Iran's a give President of Australian

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skeptics Inc said it is not just for his

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diet that is a worthy winner even though

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it can apparently shrink tumors reduce

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worry no he has also won the award for

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you guessed it paleo can help with

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autism and just about everything else

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that ails you what Pete Evans is not a

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dermatologist or an oncologist which is

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important to remember considering the

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the only qualification I could find for

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qualifications gained from New York's

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Integrative Nutrition he has been the

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inspiration for the formation of two

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facebook pages one called blocked by

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Pete Evans and the other band by Pete

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Evans with a combined membership of over

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10,000 people who've been banned from

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his page for calling him out on his

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various claims just last week I was

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was in favor of maternal immunization

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he come out in support of vaccination

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the past on his ban hammer tendencies

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peach said my intended to create a page

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where people can feel safe to share

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their ongoing success stories and not be

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confused by outside interests with

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corporations I'm going to go out on a

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limb and put it out there that the over

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10,000 people banned probably aren't all

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multinational food corporations shells

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but I have no evidence to support that

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statement I can only speak for myself I

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mean as we all know I am no shell for

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big food my shilling is reserved

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specifically for big vaccine now to his

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his response to someone who asked him

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what kind of sunscreen he uses the silly

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thing is people put on normal chemical

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because they've covered

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cells in poisonous chemicals which is a

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beneficial for us but use common sense

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totally protected if you lie in the Sun

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it is beneficial for us and no of course

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the inflammatory description of people

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chemicals end quote so what does Pete do

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bit of time out in the Sun well he

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replied that he generally does not use

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any sun protection as he keeps a

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year-round tan and doesn't stay out for

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super long periods in the Sun he says

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when he is in the Sun for longer periods

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of time he uses a product called surf

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mud which is not registered with the TTA

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so is it correct that a tan protects you

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from sun damage as Pete suggests well

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according to oncologist Ian over who was

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quoted in an article on ABC today you

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quote in most cases no a tan can offer

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very limited protection but no more than

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SPF for the lowest sunscreen rating

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depending on your skin type a tan does

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not protect from DNA damage which can

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lead to skin cancer and quote pete has

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also repeatedly said that we have an

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epidemic of vitamin d deficiency in

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australia which dr. Alver also says is a

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myth dr. Oliver says that people who do

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cover up and use sunscreen will in most

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cases still get enough incidental

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sunlight for good health and what if

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Pete's comments about the poisonous

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chemicals in our sunscreens Evans wasn't

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specific about which chemicals he was

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concerned about but as the ABC article

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state some people are concerned about

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the use of nano

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articles in sunscreen which have been

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used in sunscreens in australia since

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the 1990s these people believe that the

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nanoparticles penetrate the skin and

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have a toxic effect one commenter on

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Petes facebook posts wrongly claimed it

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takes 20 seconds for sunscreen once

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applied to enter your bloodstream

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surprise surprise that commenter when I

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gave him some evidence to prove

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otherwise revealed that he sold a range

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of products including a non-toxic

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sunscreen Pete doesn't seem to mind his

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fans shilling all over his page as long

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as they are agreeing with him in 2013

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the TGA which regulates sunscreens sold

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in Australia conducted a literature

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review and came to the conclusion that

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nano-sized titanium dioxide and zinc

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oxide particles do not penetrate the

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underlying layers of skin and that on

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current evidence neither are likely to

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cause harm when used as ingredients in

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sunscreens the Cancer Council of

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Australia agrees with the assessment but

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says it will continue to monitor new

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studies after his sunscreen comments

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Pete was asked to appear on a couple of

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radio stations where he defended his

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comments dr. Brad Mackay rang in to one

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of these shows to speak some sense but

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paleo Pete doubled down well we've had a

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fine cool paid from dr. Brad Mackay he's

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giving us a call but Dad you our doc do

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you want to getting involved with this

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oh yeah sure does a thing to what people

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saying and um yeah but a few a few

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issues of the yeah 11 is that we we

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don't have any evidence that the

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sunscreens that we use are actually

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toxic and I I think calling it like

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poisonous chemicals isn't really doing

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it justice also the the sunscreen that

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um that he was that we're talking about

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online and actually TJ approved so

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there's no actual indication that it

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works and even the website says that we

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can't guarantee that this is protective

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against getting skin cancer so there are

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some reasons here we do have a lot of

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safety like checks and balances and we

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make sure that sunscreen

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as work effectively and yeah New Zealand

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and Australia do compete for the the

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countries that have the worst rates of

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melanoma and non-melanoma skin chances

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so we need to be encouraging people to

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use therapies that actually work and do

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protect them from getting skin cancer

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I'm a little bit sticker above cutting

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skin cancers out for people's heads and

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ears and backs so it is a big big issue

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in Australia yeah i think all cancers

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and skin cancers especially our acute

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issue for us and and what I'm saying as

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well is we need to respect the Sun you

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know as studies show we should not go

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out there and turn ourselves yes oh

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Jesus sort of it and all these sort of

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thing it's just like how many beers can

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you have on a Friday night have to sort

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of it out told should get out of it

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people will actually turn around the

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rates of melanoma as well in Australia

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the rate of skin cancer are actually

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coming down when it comes to melanoma

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and that's because we're putting out

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good information and educating people to

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use sunscreen when they're outside don't

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you believe son's friends the l.e.s what

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do you think you can respect the Sun and

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get a healthy dose of vitamin D from the

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Sun which as you as a doctor you'd know

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that we're vitamin D deficient as a

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population so do you believe that we can

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have a healthy relationship with the

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star controller and we leave that they

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we need to respect the Sun yes and yeah

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we do recommend for people to go out

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early in the morning or late in the

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afternoon and and if they're not wearing

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sunscreen for four five or ten minutes

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then that's fine when it's and summer

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but yeah if you're out for a while or

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even if you're doing the shopping on an

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overcast day then yeah you can still be

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incredibly burnt and I think you're very

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fortunately you've got a good sort of an

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skin tanning situation there a lot of

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people don't have that luxury or fear in

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Australia oh we can't go cross right

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cross reward and recommend what what

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you'll do what you're saying is right

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for you that fine but yeah there are a

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lot of people that don't have the same

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skin coloring on July the 13th 2016

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rebel Wiley from the website kidspot had

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an article published about Pete's latest

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comments I'll read some out here

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it's titled Pete Evans is at it again

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now he's a maternal health expert quote

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it's been a big week for paleo Pete

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first the celebrity chef took on the

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burning ozzy son with his claims that

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sunscreen was not only unnecessary but

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in fact dangerous claims which saw him

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severely reprimanded by both the

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Australian Medical Association and the

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Cancer Council amongst others end quote

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there was widespread backlash on Twitter

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and Facebook for his comments with one

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other Facebook page the melanoma man

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asking people to please post photos of

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their melanoma scars in response to

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Pete's irresponsible comments meanwhile

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satire page the shovel published an

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article titled Pete Evans launches new

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cookbook 100 simple conspiracy theories

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you can create at home quote featuring

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age old classics like cavemen were the

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undisputed experts on nutrition and

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grains are scary the book also

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introduces some great new conspiracies

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that can feed the whole family the

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delicious wearing sunscreen is bad for

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you theory for example can be quickly

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thrown together with hardly any thought

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at all Evan said the recipes used common

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ingredients that most of his fans would

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have on hand at home you won't need any

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messy science or hard to find evidence

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just toxin-free pure bull he said end

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quote so what of his comments on

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veganism for pregnant mums Pete's advice

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here is that firstly meat is needed now

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he may be right that for some vegetarian

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or vegan women they would benefit from

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eating meat whilst planning and perhaps

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during pregnancy dieticians recommend

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that if a mum-to-be is vegetarian or

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vegan and wishes to remain so during

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pregnancy that she be closely monitored

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it is certainly doable for many women

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but should be done in consultation with

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their doctor and or dietitian in other

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words it depends on the woman it depends

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on her existing history and diet

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existing medical candy

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any nutritional deficiencies she

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currently has and so on it's not fresh

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EFT to make such a sweeping statement on

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the maternal needs of all women perhaps

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more troubling is Pete's strong

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inference that prenatal supplements are

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unnecessary from the same Facebook post

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of his what about prenatal vitamins you

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probably don't want to get me started on

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this one followed by him getting started

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on that one in short filled with

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synthetic and inorganic compromising if

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not toxic elements and chemicals

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anything but something geared towards

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healthy women or babies why not get

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yourself prenatal formula from real food

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instead why not indeed well seeing as

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adequate folate intake helps to prevent

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birth defects in the baby such as spina

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bifida this recommendation by Pete might

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benefit from a second opinion by a

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doctor more from the kids spot article

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quote on the subject of maternal health

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for which pete has no qualifications he

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offered up a diatribe where the expert

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opinion he mostly refers to is himself

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every so often the question comes along

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as to whether it's okay to be paleo

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during pregnancy and breastfeeding of

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course one obvious answer to that

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question is the fact that humans ate a

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diet based on principles not dissimilar

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to what the paleo way 10 week and

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maintenance program is promoting and if

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you have any trepidation about vitamin A

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toxicity I recommend that you carefully

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read my extended and world reference

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report on the subject oh and I am

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currently recommending that pregnant

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women stick to wild caught fish from

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either cleaner nautic waters inland

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landlocked lakes and streams or more

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pristine sources from the southern

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hemisphere then there is read is here

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may want to refer back to the article I

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wrote about autoimmunity and oh

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discuss this subject in great depth in

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my book primal body prime or mind and

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this what I suggest is that you go and

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read / reread the article I wrote for

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the Paleo way members site on

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supplementation oh hang on here is one

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recommendation to seek professional

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advice since there is literally a zero

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human dietary requirement for grains

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legumes dairy products sugar or starch

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of any kind a grain free / dairy free /

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low sugar / starch diet during pregnancy

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is not inherently at all problematic in

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fact it can be highly beneficial I would

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however work closely with qualified

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healthcare provider to make a more

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gradual step towards any changes you're

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making if you happen to be pregnant

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white as you were he qualified it with

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this but the dietary recommendations we

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offer ultimately the healthiest approach

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you could possibly take for yourself and

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your baby so it probably doesn't count

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but there was this one too wrapped up in

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his own recommendations but still for

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those having hypoglycemia / reactive

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hypoglycemia supplemental l lu glutamine

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powder may be helpful towards minimizing

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lower blood sugar symptoms during this

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time while transitioning to a more even

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burning and reliable fat bass metabolism

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please consult with your trusted health

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care provider to be sure this is right

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for you 3864 words in that facebook post

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six referrals back to himself a chef as

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an authority on pregnancy health and

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only two recommendations to seek

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professional medical opinion which he

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qualifies both times with his own

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recommendations and quote so there you

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have it Pete's opinions and

548
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recommendations thus far his food looks

549
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absolutely delicious and I'd be happy to

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follow his advice on how best to cook a

551
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steak

552
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what I wouldn't be happy to do

553
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personally is to take his advice on GMOs

554
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water fluoridation pregnancy vitamins

555
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sunscreen or anything else that actually

556
00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:05,650
matters this has been hiding rubber tson

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from the Northern Rivers vaccination

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supporters you can find us on twitter at

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NR vax supporters that's the ax or on

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Facebook and you can say hi to me at my

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personal Twitter account at Heidi howdy

562
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till next time i'm off to slip slop slap

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with my cancer councils sunscreen go for

564
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a walk in the sun and then rehydrate

565
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with fluoridated water Australian

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skeptics National Convention 2016 will

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be hosted in Melbourne at the university

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of melbourne from the 25th to the 27th

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of november with the annual dinner being

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held at melbourne zoo on the evening of

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the 26th of November early bird ticket

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sales are online at the convention

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website convention dot skeptics comdata

574
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you and if you get an early bird ticket

575
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you'll receive a discount and be able to

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reserve seats close to the stage we can

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confirm that speakers for the convention

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will include Lawrence Krauss Ed's odd

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Ernst Harriet hall Michael Marshall

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Katie Mac and Mel Thompson with many

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more great speakers to be announced soon

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nicholas j johnson is our MC for the

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annual dinner information about our

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speakers is available from the

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convention website so that's convention

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homeopathic vaccination once again we

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report on this concentrated nonsense

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which is homeopathy and in its most

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dangerous form which is fake vaccination

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what's the harm in homeopathy what

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possible harm could percy bow sugar

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pills do this report has just come to

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light from the courier-mail dated the

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23rd of july twenty sixteen by Rose

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Brennan Brisbane homeopath Sienna karuna

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selling vaccinations and boosters made

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from refined sugar as an aside I thought

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that was the whole idea of homeopathy

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but it's good that the media are

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catching on we read on a Brisbane woman

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selling homeopathic vaccinations or

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boosters for diseases including whooping

603
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cough polio meningococcal and malaria

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has been found to be selling nothing but

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refined sugar homeopath Sienna karuna

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markets her quote homeopathic medicines

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end quote on Facebook and online and

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sells them as a vaccination alternatives

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for overseas travelers adults children

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and even newborn babies for serious

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diseases such as whooping cough and

612
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measles the courier-mail obtained ms

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coronas vaccination and booster pill use

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for adults traveling to morocco egypt

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and europe from her homeopathy at home

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business expert pharmacist at Queensland

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University of Technology tested them

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revealing them to be sugar health

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professionals have slammed her as

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grossly misleading and dangerous this

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wig a post on the facebook page claimed

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to have sold quote homeopathic

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prophylaxis medicines men quote for Zika

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virus to a man in Melbourne who was to

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travel to Southeast Asia there is no

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reputable treatment for Zika on the

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market and another comment here I'm not

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surprised many homeopaths are of the

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opinion of course that all these things

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work so why wouldn't they

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describe their homeopathic concoctions

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for Indian all diseases they think they

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work we read on the business has

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advertised on Facebook treatments for

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herpes and preventive medications for

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whooping cough in pregnant women and

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whooping cough and rotavirus for babies

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Australian Medical Association of

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Queensland president dr. Chris Zappala

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slammed the sale of sugar products and

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called for an investigation by the

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Health Ombudsman quote I actually think

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this is so unconscionable if it's done

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knowingly then that is tragic in the

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extreme end quote dr. Zappala said quote

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if it's done unknowingly than the

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ignorance and lack of care about the

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quality that you're providing to your

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patients is equally concerning and I

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would have thought this should go before

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the health ombudsman not only is this

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dangerous and factually incorrect but

653
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:26,750
it's a money ripoff it is crazy and it

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00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:29,480
is very dangerous unquote here's another

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00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:32,090
aside we totally agree The Skeptical

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outlook has always agreed with that

657
00:31:39,610 --> 00:31:36,620
previous statement and this could

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possibly open a huge can of homeopathic

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worms as either people are selling sugar

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00:31:49,570 --> 00:31:44,570
pills knowing they don't do anything

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00:31:52,740 --> 00:31:49,580
which is very wrong and dangerous or

662
00:31:54,700 --> 00:31:52,750
they're simply ignorant as to reality

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the products obtained by the

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courier-mail cost more than two hundred

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and fifty dollars and were labeled for

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the diseases they claim to afford

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protection against including whooping

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cough polio meningococcal and malaria

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the paperwork acknowledges the quote

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00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:10,970
pill use quote are made of sucrose but

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says they've been quote medicated with

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medical grade homeopathic medicines end

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00:32:21,460 --> 00:32:18,410
quote source from a Melbourne laboratory

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00:32:23,530 --> 00:32:21,470
prepared by a nurse karuna cuties head

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00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:23,540
of clinical Sciences professor Lisa

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00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:26,060
neason said in light of their findings

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the matter will be referred to the

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Therapeutic Goods Administration quote

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00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:34,550
it's dangerous for punters out there who

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don't know any better and a vulnerable

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00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:39,560
they are people swayed by pseudoscience

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and

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Neeson said a report by Miss Neeson's

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00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:49,370
colleague dr. s to allow concluded quote

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00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:51,919
from these preliminary results there is

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nothing to suggest the vaccines are

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00:32:59,799 --> 00:32:56,840
different from sucrose these vaccines

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00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,809
would be useless and guarding against

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00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:02,000
the diseases on the labels and there is

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no biologically plausible explanation as

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00:33:09,610 --> 00:33:07,100
to how these vaccinations could possibly

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00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:09,620
work it is frightening to think that

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00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:11,210
these products are on the market and

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that they are being sold as vaccines and

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quote the report said Health Minister

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00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:19,940
Cameron dick slammed the practice as

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00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:22,460
endangering lives and stress that quote

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there are no alternatives to vaccines

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00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:26,990
end quote quote vaccination is a

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critically important public health

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00:33:33,789 --> 00:33:30,830
strategy which protects children from

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00:33:35,409 --> 00:33:33,799
potentially deadly diseases but it is

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00:33:37,870 --> 00:33:35,419
only safe and effective when

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00:33:40,299 --> 00:33:37,880
conventional vaccines are used them

705
00:33:42,669 --> 00:33:40,309
quote he said quote there are no

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alternatives to vaccines and we don't

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00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:44,960
need them because we know vaccines work

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00:33:49,779 --> 00:33:47,690
anyone offering these alternative

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00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:49,789
products is not only deceiving the

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00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:52,370
community they are endangering lives end

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00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,890
quote mr. Dixit any parent with vaccine

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00:33:58,990 --> 00:33:57,679
concerns should speak to their GP quote

713
00:34:00,430 --> 00:33:59,000
family should not be tricked into

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00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:00,440
thinking they are protecting themselves

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00:34:05,169 --> 00:34:02,450
and their children by using these

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00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:05,179
products I strongly urge any parents or

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00:34:09,550 --> 00:34:07,279
individuals with questions or concerns

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00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,560
about vaccinations on offer to speak

719
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with their GP or immunization provider

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00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:14,720
in quote he said when contacted by the

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00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:17,119
courier-mail ms karuna said that there

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00:34:22,359 --> 00:34:20,810
was quote a lot of field evidence a lot

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00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,369
of clinical evidence and quote on

724
00:34:27,339 --> 00:34:24,800
homeopathic medicines working including

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00:34:30,310 --> 00:34:27,349
in Cuba quote it's a funny thing with

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00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:30,320
homeopathy because it's almost like you

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00:34:34,180 --> 00:34:32,210
can see the results from the medicine

728
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:34,190
but scientists don't understand the

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:36,409
mechanism of the action end quote she

730
00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:38,810
said quote that doesn't mean that it

731
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:40,639
doesn't work it's just that we don't

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00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:43,550
know how it works I'm sure in 10 years

733
00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:46,129
20 years time we will find that there is

734
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:49,550
a evidence base for it it's just it

735
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:51,710
hasn't been discovered homeopathy is

736
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:53,810
such a simple medicine make

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00:34:58,540 --> 00:34:55,970
Mia pathak medicine at home it's not

738
00:35:01,930 --> 00:34:58,550
rocket science end quote another comment

739
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:01,940
from me this has been the cry of the

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00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:04,130
whoo crowd and people like the

741
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:06,610
creationists and the UFO believers and

742
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:12,200
so many others that any day now or soon

743
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:18,410
or just wait science will verify what

744
00:35:22,540 --> 00:35:20,210
our particular belief system is I

745
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:22,550
remember hearing this in the 1970s when

746
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:25,280
it came to the creationists they were

747
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:26,990
saying it's only a matter of time more

748
00:35:32,620 --> 00:35:29,230
and more scientists and now turning into

749
00:35:34,330 --> 00:35:32,630
supporting creationism I've heard it for

750
00:35:38,370 --> 00:35:34,340
so many years now with things like

751
00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:38,380
homeopathy and this whole just not

752
00:35:43,620 --> 00:35:40,870
science will catch up to what we believe

753
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,630
people who really think something works

754
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:45,920
think that science will eventually catch

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00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:48,650
up with the with their opinion we read

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00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:51,980
on mr. una said that the Zika remedy she

757
00:35:57,370 --> 00:35:54,530
is selling was not a vaccine but a

758
00:36:00,580 --> 00:35:57,380
medicine that can treat symptoms similar

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00:36:03,250 --> 00:36:00,590
to Zika homeopathic medicine has been

760
00:36:05,230 --> 00:36:03,260
repeatedly discredited by Australian

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00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:05,240
health authorities after a thorough

762
00:36:08,260 --> 00:36:07,010
review of research papers of the

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00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:08,270
national health and medical research

764
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,330
council announced in 2015 that there is

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00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,760
quote no good quality evidence to

766
00:36:17,530 --> 00:36:15,440
support the claim that homeopathy is

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00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:17,540
effective in treating health conditions

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00:36:25,260 --> 00:36:20,030
and quote now I'd like to refer to a

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00:36:29,860 --> 00:36:25,270
newspaper item dated the 23rd of august

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00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:29,870
2002 in The Daily Telegraph newspaper

771
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:33,530
daily telegraph calm today you buy Sudan

772
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:36,530
leaving a fake meningococcal vaccine has

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:38,420
been banned as health authorities warn

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00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:40,490
consumers against relying on homeopathic

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00:36:44,980 --> 00:36:41,930
remedies the Therapeutic Goods

776
00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:44,990
Administration issued the ban after the

777
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:47,180
Daily Telegraph drew its attention to

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00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:49,010
homeopaths in Sydney and Newcastle

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00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:52,490
selling the bogus vaccines homeopaths

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00:36:57,010 --> 00:36:54,710
and health authorities said that they

781
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:57,020
are alarmed that people may have relied

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00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:58,970
on the product to protect them against

783
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:01,160
meningococcal disease which has killed

784
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:06,020
24 people this year and indeed if we

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00:37:08,900 --> 00:37:07,050
look at the

786
00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:08,910
list of winners of the Australian

787
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:11,820
skeptics bent spoon award for the year

788
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:13,530
two thousand and two it was won by

789
00:37:19,730 --> 00:37:16,980
gentle heel proprietary limited for

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00:37:23,630 --> 00:37:19,740
selling fake homeopathic vaccines and

791
00:37:26,210 --> 00:37:23,640
from 2002 a report on the network ten

792
00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,220
nightly news featuring comments from

793
00:37:31,340 --> 00:37:28,740
longtime Australian skeptic Barry

794
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:31,350
Williams I wanting to consumers over

795
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,630
fake meningococcal vaccines medical

796
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:35,400
authorities have banned the homeopathic

797
00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:37,650
remedies saying they'll have no effect

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00:37:41,780 --> 00:37:40,380
in preventing the deadly disease it

799
00:37:44,090 --> 00:37:41,790
promise is much more than it could

800
00:37:46,070 --> 00:37:44,100
possibly deliver a deceptive label that

801
00:37:48,590 --> 00:37:46,080
his federal health authorities angry and

802
00:37:50,510 --> 00:37:48,600
investigating and if necessary we will

803
00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,520
institute recalls or perhaps even

804
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:52,440
prosecute because we're concerned that

805
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,060
these are being supplied outside the

806
00:37:58,220 --> 00:37:56,160
therapeutic goods act these homeopathic

807
00:38:00,080 --> 00:37:58,230
remedies claiming to be vaccines against

808
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:00,090
the deadly meningococcal disease have

809
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:02,610
now been banned despite having no proven

810
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:05,010
therapeutic value desperate and fearful

811
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,930
parents have turned to them even buying

812
00:38:10,220 --> 00:38:08,700
them through mail order it's

813
00:38:12,110 --> 00:38:10,230
understandable that when there's

814
00:38:14,570 --> 00:38:12,120
something which is caused a lot of

815
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:14,580
public concern that people will look for

816
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:16,850
answers wherever they can find them but

817
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:19,830
unfortunately homeopathic vaccines are

818
00:38:23,090 --> 00:38:21,450
no answer to this problem the

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00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,100
manufacturer has withdrawn the bogus

820
00:38:27,650 --> 00:38:25,200
vaccine from sales saying confusion

821
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:27,660
comes from a requirement to including

822
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:29,490
the name what the source material is

823
00:38:33,530 --> 00:38:31,710
magazine it's not actually a vaccine as

824
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:33,540
such as a homeopathic medicine made from

825
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:35,940
the vaccine so a lot of practitioners

826
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:37,530
historically we've used those medicines

827
00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:39,810
and very very small quantities Detroit

828
00:38:43,340 --> 00:38:41,640
the effects of the vaccine the

829
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:43,350
Australian skeptics society has long

830
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:45,450
campaigned against homeopathic remedies

831
00:38:49,490 --> 00:38:47,520
arguing their little more than distilled

832
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:49,500
water although I've do you harm what

833
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:51,390
they all do is give you a false sense of

834
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:54,090
security and you will think that your

835
00:38:57,590 --> 00:38:56,130
protect against something only one

836
00:38:59,570 --> 00:38:57,600
officially sanctioned vaccine is

837
00:39:01,790 --> 00:38:59,580
available for the type C strain of the

838
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:01,800
disease there's currently a worldwide

839
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:03,420
shortage of the problem a ninja kaka

840
00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:05,610
vaccine but a federal government program

841
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,500
will be in place before next year's

842
00:39:12,620 --> 00:39:10,200
critical season vaccinating for free All

843
00:39:15,470 --> 00:39:12,630
Australian one year olds 15 year olds

844
00:39:20,539 --> 00:39:15,480
and 17 year olds those concerned can

845
00:39:23,989 --> 00:39:20,549
call a national hotline on 1 800 1290 68

846
00:39:25,509 --> 00:39:23,999
I attend use and if we look at the

847
00:39:28,849 --> 00:39:25,519
australian competition and consumer

848
00:39:31,189 --> 00:39:28,859
commission's website we find dated to

849
00:39:33,229 --> 00:39:31,199
2030 december 2014 court finds

850
00:39:35,929 --> 00:39:33,239
homeopathy plus vaccine claims

851
00:39:37,729 --> 00:39:35,939
misleading a federal court has found

852
00:39:40,489 --> 00:39:37,739
that homeopathy plus proprietary limited

853
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:40,499
and its director miss Fran sheffield

854
00:39:43,939 --> 00:39:42,569
engaged in misleading conduct and made

855
00:39:46,339 --> 00:39:43,949
false or misleading representations

856
00:39:48,769 --> 00:39:46,349
regarding the effectiveness of the

857
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:48,779
whooping cough vaccine and homeopathic

858
00:39:54,349 --> 00:39:51,209
remedies as an alternative in breach of

859
00:39:57,919 --> 00:39:54,359
the Australian Consumer Law and so the

860
00:40:00,160 --> 00:39:57,929
story continues once again these people

861
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,170
are out there promoting the fact that

862
00:40:07,549 --> 00:40:02,160
homeopathy can do all these things

863
00:40:10,219 --> 00:40:07,559
because they probably truly and

864
00:40:13,249 --> 00:40:10,229
sincerely believe that they can do all

865
00:40:15,259 --> 00:40:13,259
these things and this is giving them the

866
00:40:17,299 --> 00:40:15,269
benefit of the doubt this is putting the

867
00:40:19,099 --> 00:40:17,309
best possible angle on it that these

868
00:40:20,749 --> 00:40:19,109
people aren't doing things to make a

869
00:40:23,479 --> 00:40:20,759
quick buck knowing that they're selling

870
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:23,489
fake vaccines but no they really think

871
00:40:27,739 --> 00:40:25,890
these things work but regardless of

872
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:27,749
their good intentions of course they

873
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:29,910
don't work they can't work the weight of

874
00:40:34,249 --> 00:40:31,439
evidence and the laws of physics are

875
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:34,259
against them and in situations like this

876
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:36,900
they are putting lives in danger we will

877
00:40:59,650 --> 00:40:39,170
keep you updated as to further

878
00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:04,519
hey Heidi oh hi Joe hi Heidi oh hi

879
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:08,039
Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in

880
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:11,279
this park yeah yes great weather oh look

881
00:41:17,689 --> 00:41:15,119
a unicorn a unicorn there are no such

882
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,699
things as unicorns silly yes there are

883
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:20,880
no there isn't Hey ladies what are you

884
00:41:26,839 --> 00:41:23,369
arguing about Joe thinks unicorns are

885
00:41:30,349 --> 00:41:26,849
real they fo are let's look this up in

886
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:30,359
the skeptics dictionary the word how can

887
00:41:34,939 --> 00:41:32,609
we do that in this park there are no

888
00:41:37,249 --> 00:41:34,949
computers here you ladies probably don't

889
00:41:40,339 --> 00:41:37,259
know about the skeptics dictionary app

890
00:41:43,459 --> 00:41:40,349
available now for iPhone iPad and iPod

891
00:41:45,439 --> 00:41:43,469
touch in the app store yeah we do we've

892
00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:45,449
been listening to the skeptic zone for

893
00:41:51,979 --> 00:41:49,799
years you know yes ok the app lets you

894
00:41:55,699 --> 00:41:51,989
access all the great skeptics dictionary

895
00:41:58,519 --> 00:41:55,709
articles when you're on the go yeah let

896
00:42:01,459 --> 00:41:58,529
me look up unicorns oh cool Heidi

897
00:42:03,949 --> 00:42:01,469
prepare to be proven wrong it says here

898
00:42:07,279 --> 00:42:03,959
the Unicorn is a creature from fables

899
00:42:08,779 --> 00:42:07,289
aha actually I see now that someone just

900
00:42:11,509 --> 00:42:08,789
dumped their ice cream cone on that

901
00:42:13,849 --> 00:42:11,519
horse's head thanks attention their

902
00:42:23,740 --> 00:42:13,859
iphone app that's just some guy in these

903
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:23,750
undies here's may not spooky action

904
00:43:04,259 --> 00:43:01,890
look good morning you're hearing a very

905
00:43:06,450 --> 00:43:04,269
croaking main out here and I'd probably

906
00:43:09,479 --> 00:43:06,460
say i don't think the shipping zone has

907
00:43:11,999 --> 00:43:09,489
ever been recorded at 6am little own 6am

908
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:12,009
earth time we dispense illipe earth the

909
00:43:16,019 --> 00:43:13,450
head off on the adelaide leg of the

910
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:16,029
totally 80's tour and I thought well

911
00:43:21,509 --> 00:43:18,609
musicians can be like sports people and

912
00:43:24,749 --> 00:43:21,519
that they tend to think if they do

913
00:43:26,130 --> 00:43:24,759
something repeatedly able bring them

914
00:43:28,380 --> 00:43:26,140
good luck or they will ward off bad

915
00:43:29,759 --> 00:43:28,390
things happening and I think I might see

916
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:29,769
if there's any years two positions on

917
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:32,380
two or ways to behave on tour like I

918
00:43:36,209 --> 00:43:34,210
myself like to cargill every night I

919
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:36,219
don't know if that's actually something

920
00:43:39,989 --> 00:43:37,569
that's a bit of a superstition ah but

921
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:39,999
it's fun thing to do but I've exalted a

922
00:43:43,859 --> 00:43:41,380
few people about what they do to try and

923
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:43,869
keep things and wore off bad luck during

924
00:43:48,569 --> 00:43:46,420
a tour the camp here in the departure

925
00:43:51,209 --> 00:43:48,579
lounge here at Perth for me here with

926
00:43:52,819 --> 00:43:51,219
John who is a deep to organize and

927
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:52,829
manager what's your official tunnel

928
00:43:58,099 --> 00:43:56,079
artists liaison our artists liaison

929
00:44:00,719 --> 00:43:58,109
that's a tough one because that's a very

930
00:44:02,370 --> 00:44:00,729
gray area as to what you have to do

931
00:44:06,329 --> 00:44:02,380
that's everything from potentially

932
00:44:09,930 --> 00:44:06,339
walking dogs to overseeing relationship

933
00:44:11,459 --> 00:44:09,940
breakups that's correct hmm and I have

934
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,469
been talking about things you do and you

935
00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:13,839
mentioned you our a thespian and I'm so

936
00:44:16,259 --> 00:44:15,160
did you have a ritual before you went on

937
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:16,269
stage there's something that you'd like

938
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:17,529
to do that make you more comfortable

939
00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:20,079
before you perform I've usually just

940
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:21,460
spend about half an hour just on my own

941
00:44:25,979 --> 00:44:24,160
just my own space and do you think about

942
00:44:28,529 --> 00:44:25,989
the character or what you have to do

943
00:44:30,209 --> 00:44:28,539
when you're on stage and if you don't do

944
00:44:33,329 --> 00:44:30,219
that just everything come undone or not

945
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:33,339
not really no okay so it's not really

946
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:37,150
necessary ritual no

947
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:39,170
and we're here with that one of our

948
00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:40,970
dancers as well now dance is being very

949
00:44:44,349 --> 00:44:42,380
physical is there something you feel

950
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:44,359
you've got to do that maybe physically

951
00:44:48,329 --> 00:44:46,130
you don't have to do but you have to do

952
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:48,339
before you go on I'm definitely

953
00:44:52,359 --> 00:44:50,930
stretching that's a big thing because

954
00:44:54,609 --> 00:44:52,369
you don't want to hurt yourself on stage

955
00:44:56,349 --> 00:44:54,619
or be sore for the rest of the tour so

956
00:44:58,299 --> 00:44:56,359
you got to take care of your body mm-hmm

957
00:44:59,890 --> 00:44:58,309
okay now what about sporting is it weird

958
00:45:02,319 --> 00:44:59,900
sporting person and it had a sporting

959
00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:02,329
ritual and you played sport yeah had

960
00:45:07,479 --> 00:45:04,700
some a pair of lucky undies for the

961
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:07,489
hunger they let my favorite color and I

962
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,529
felt like I would win if I wore them and

963
00:45:13,390 --> 00:45:11,839
did you ever ever test that empirically

964
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:13,400
did you not wear them where the one day

965
00:45:17,769 --> 00:45:16,249
and lose um no I think it's definitely

966
00:45:19,269 --> 00:45:17,779
mind ever mattered I think I really

967
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:19,279
lucky undies it was just something that

968
00:45:23,470 --> 00:45:21,200
would try to make me feel like I was

969
00:45:28,650 --> 00:45:23,480
gonna win because people secret you got

970
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:31,690
now we have another a dancer here we got

971
00:45:36,670 --> 00:45:34,609
here Alison Alison now do you have

972
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:36,680
something that you do before you go on

973
00:45:40,329 --> 00:45:38,690
that seems a little bit not really

974
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:40,339
rational but it seems to make you feel

975
00:45:46,089 --> 00:45:42,970
better before you perform oh yeah I just

976
00:45:48,190 --> 00:45:46,099
shake out the nerves so I just jump up

977
00:45:50,410 --> 00:45:48,200
and down shake my hands out and it seems

978
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:50,420
to get rid of the nerves for me no this

979
00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:51,650
is something that's based in in sort of

980
00:45:55,749 --> 00:45:53,839
science did someone teach us to you or a

981
00:45:57,069 --> 00:45:55,759
dance class at someone say if you do

982
00:45:58,839 --> 00:45:57,079
this this will have this reaction

983
00:46:01,299 --> 00:45:58,849
therefore you'll do a better performance

984
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:01,309
and not necessarily just kind of

985
00:46:06,549 --> 00:46:03,890
developed it myself and it gets me ready

986
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:06,559
to go okay so we're not just talking new

987
00:46:09,970 --> 00:46:08,329
shoulders we're talking it starts in the

988
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:09,980
hands and shoulders and then it all over

989
00:46:14,769 --> 00:46:12,410
shaking yup develops all over shake

990
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:14,779
shake everything out get ready to go on

991
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:16,970
ok but not psychologically is there

992
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:18,049
anything you've got to do or does that

993
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:20,390
do it for you I know that does it for me

994
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:22,970
just stay focused and yeah get ready to

995
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:24,680
go to the stage ok what about other

996
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:26,089
dancers you've seen him they got any

997
00:46:28,989 --> 00:46:27,710
strange rituals where you go I don't see

998
00:46:30,249 --> 00:46:28,999
how that helps but it seems to be

999
00:46:33,789 --> 00:46:30,259
something they have to do before they

1000
00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:33,799
perform certain drinks are some

1001
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:35,230
stretches

1002
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:39,010
yes it's bad hit you and because dancers

1003
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:40,750
are a bit like a sporting thing you're

1004
00:46:43,890 --> 00:46:42,130
doing the same thing over and over again

1005
00:46:45,330 --> 00:46:43,900
what's the most common injury you get

1006
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,340
Iran's got their own weeks but is it

1007
00:46:50,130 --> 00:46:47,920
Achilles heel hamstring what's a bit the

1008
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:50,140
tens you tend to worry about our mind at

1009
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:52,570
the moment is my knee so that's that's

1010
00:46:56,490 --> 00:46:54,490
currently all strapped up ready to go

1011
00:46:59,340 --> 00:46:56,500
okay was added take a side would knock

1012
00:47:02,340 --> 00:46:59,350
did it yeah yeah bit of a bump but it's

1013
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:02,350
okay it won't stop me oh yes because I'm

1014
00:47:05,849 --> 00:47:04,060
unlike sporting people i guess like

1015
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:05,859
spotting people if you're dancing in a

1016
00:47:10,590 --> 00:47:08,050
show and something hurts it's best not

1017
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:10,600
to show pain on your face exactly you

1018
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:12,280
just work through it and pretend it's

1019
00:47:16,020 --> 00:47:14,530
not there what about post show is that

1020
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:16,030
something you do where you go okay the

1021
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:19,090
show's over now I can do this post show

1022
00:47:25,890 --> 00:47:22,570
eyes I relax I have something sweet to

1023
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:25,900
eat like a little reward yourself for

1024
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:27,700
job well done yeah little snack

1025
00:47:32,550 --> 00:47:30,460
afterwards okay entering advice was the

1026
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:32,560
one thing to stop getting sick on tour

1027
00:47:36,300 --> 00:47:33,820
because there's a few people getting

1028
00:47:38,220 --> 00:47:36,310
sick here understood yeah you both

1029
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:38,230
dancers you've been great yes stay

1030
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:42,250
hydrated and make sure you eat make sure

1031
00:47:47,730 --> 00:47:44,080
you get enough sleep look after yourself

1032
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:47,740
okay good advice thank you I'm a cub

1033
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:49,750
reporter may now now over near the air

1034
00:47:54,090 --> 00:47:52,390
the tea center and at the t center of

1035
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:54,100
the Virgin lounge we find a trouble or

1036
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:56,380
how how are you I'm good I'm actually

1037
00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:58,680
I'm just

1038
00:48:03,900 --> 00:48:02,109
stealing some tea so this is a crime in

1039
00:48:05,849 --> 00:48:03,910
progress like you know a surveillance

1040
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:05,859
camera goes a bounce microphone actually

1041
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:07,480
I'm going to do the same thing by just

1042
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:10,089
getting some now you're going for mint

1043
00:48:14,430 --> 00:48:12,430
which I would have thought lemongrass

1044
00:48:18,260 --> 00:48:14,440
will be n better for your voice well

1045
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:18,270
this is for an upset tummy so I'm just

1046
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:20,410
thinking that this could be a good thing

1047
00:48:25,710 --> 00:48:23,710
I do have the honey which will help with

1048
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:25,720
my throat geez you've actually got do

1049
00:48:28,799 --> 00:48:27,369
you vote a history of Turing and

1050
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:28,809
everything so you should be knowing what

1051
00:48:31,650 --> 00:48:30,130
to do on tour but if you're going to

1052
00:48:33,809 --> 00:48:31,660
think that is maybe isn't completely

1053
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,819
rational that you do before a show or

1054
00:48:39,660 --> 00:48:35,890
while on tour to ward off bad happenings

1055
00:48:43,020 --> 00:48:39,670
I wish I could tell you some crazy story

1056
00:48:46,109 --> 00:48:43,030
but I just take 15 minutes before the

1057
00:48:49,710 --> 00:48:46,119
show to try and clear my head and focus

1058
00:48:51,450 --> 00:48:49,720
and get some space away from everybody

1059
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:51,460
else however it is hard when you're

1060
00:48:55,230 --> 00:48:53,890
sharing well as we did in Perth last

1061
00:48:58,319 --> 00:48:55,240
night the Astor theatre we were sharing

1062
00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:58,329
a corridor a corridor correct Jeff a

1063
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,520
draft you cover or that too that's right

1064
00:49:04,380 --> 00:49:02,559
yes there was a one presentation going

1065
00:49:05,940 --> 00:49:04,390
on in the corridor while we were

1066
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,950
changing it was it was interesting was

1067
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:07,839
surreal but what about other pit

1068
00:49:10,589 --> 00:49:09,130
performers is there someone who's done

1069
00:49:13,710 --> 00:49:10,599
something you've gone I don't know how

1070
00:49:16,799 --> 00:49:13,720
that helps your show well my husband

1071
00:49:19,710 --> 00:49:16,809
Jack Houston from the wetlands he

1072
00:49:21,809 --> 00:49:19,720
actually does push-ups before the show

1073
00:49:25,470 --> 00:49:21,819
is that just to get the blood pumping I

1074
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,480
think perhaps but also to maybe get a

1075
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:27,760
bit more like his gums look a bit better

1076
00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:30,490
yes however i must admit then they're

1077
00:50:16,780 --> 00:49:32,349
never quite as big as mine i think my

1078
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:19,370
how much truth is there to claims of

1079
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,359
risk caused by the treatment of beef

1080
00:50:25,550 --> 00:50:23,730
cattle with antibiotics I'm Tamra

1081
00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:25,560
Robertson and you're hooked up to the

1082
00:50:33,650 --> 00:50:31,500
feeding tube the feeding tube is the web

1083
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,660
video series that brings you the real

1084
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:36,780
facts behind popular food myths food

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whoo is the most pervasive pop

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pseudoscience out there right now and it

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desperately needs debunking each three

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minute episode is suitable for general

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audience and is produced by scientists

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for everyone the feeding tube check it

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone now as I mentioned at the top of

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the show next week I hope to bring you

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an interview with Fiona O'Leary from

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Ireland who's involved with autistic

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rights together she has recently

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received a legal threat from it seems to

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be a cinema chain who are probably

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showing and promoting the movie bakst

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now if you go to the show notes i will

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put a link to this this story which is

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from a website a science enthusiast I

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but the story is gaining momentum it's

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probably on many websites by now it says

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makers of axed threaten lawsuit over a

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valid criticism so yes in the show notes

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have a look at that and in the meantime

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in the following week until I we can get

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you the story in full you may wish to

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see what assistance you may be able to

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offer Fiona O'Leary but day yes go to

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the site and read the background

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information and I think you'll find more

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information on popular blogs about that

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and thank you once again to the people

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lot the more people who help out the

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frankly to keep bringing you the show

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and it's um this is really nice to know

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do anyway you can find out about that at

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show is about to be distributed through

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I Heart Radio I'm just looking into that

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at the moment I in fact I've submitted

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all the information I think I'm just

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waiting for them to get back to me but

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once that's up I'll let you know

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and just before I go don't forget those

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people in Sydney there's a skeptics

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